Probably nothing.
http://talk.islamicnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=9182
I personally believe that coming online and staying in the sisters section only still goes against the whole 'stay in your homes' spirit, even if the posts are made 'in your home.'
Weather they are in a 'sisters only' section, or the corner table, or their friend's blog - they are still going against the spirit. There is hardly any difference between a woman who resides in her home, but leaves once a day to interact with other humans versus one who logs into a forum once (or more) a day to interact with other humans. Both are people who are not from those who 'stay in their homes' (at the very least, to be considered from this group, the majority of one's days should be spent not leaving the house).
A Woman goes from Her father's house, to her husband's house, to her grave.
That is it.
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May 31st, 2006 at 11:40 am
sas are you a hardcore dhahiree? just wondering
but yeah I feel you; it would be way cooler without any of the female species around
wassalam
-Neon Knight-
June 1st, 2006 at 6:48 am
Akhee, what’s the reference for this statement:
A Woman goes from Her father’s house, to her husband’s house, to her grave.
You’ve said it before, but I don’t recall the source.
June 1st, 2006 at 7:01 am
It is some old arab statement that a friend of mine used to say, but i heard it from Abdur Rahman’s authorty (of that friend) but I forget his name now.
Khaled Kobrousli or Ayman… one of them.
June 1st, 2006 at 3:37 pm
Lol Sas, you’re raw!
June 1st, 2006 at 3:42 pm
in the nasheed section where u have put arabic and english text for the nasheed artist, you may want to put the same for the Quran section with their names in arabic text which will increase the number of people coming via search engine.
June 11th, 2006 at 4:01 am
Sas, you’re an idiot.
July 12th, 2006 at 4:40 pm
From those people that Allah ta’ala raised was a young boy named Ahmad.
Ahmad lived in Baghdad over a thousand years ago. On those cold wintery
nights, his mother - the blessed Mu’minah that she was - would wake long
before Fajr to warm the water for her son. Then - again long before Fajr -
she would wake him to make Wudu, then she would wrap him in shawls and off
through the molten dark alleys of Baghdad they would carefully make their way
to the Masjid.
There was no male to escort him (he was an orphan), so Ahmad’s mother would
take him that early so that he could get a good seat in the Hadith halaqah
after Fajr. Then she would wait for him long after the sun rose to safely
escort him back home. Her son grew up to be one of these warrior defenders
of the Sunnah, one of the four Imams of this Deen, Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal.
July 13th, 2006 at 5:11 pm
That is one egotistical statement there Sas. Perhaps you should revise your opinion.
What about Aishah (RA)? She lead a rebellion didn’t she? That’s not going from your husband’s house to your grave. Get a life, and stop opressing women. I’m not some freak liberal, but Islam gave rights to women, not the other way.
And you spelled “Whether” wrong as “Weather”. you dolt.
July 13th, 2006 at 6:52 pm
It just goes to show you what sad times we live in that we have a rich heirtiage of females who did amazing things - yet if today they would all come online, you would be hard pressed to find s single reason as you said ‘not to oppress them’
July 13th, 2006 at 6:53 pm
Danish, right - how does that have to do anything with a bunch of women on a message board.
I never said if we were to ban all wonderful mothers who made sure our sons prayed, etc. we would be fine without it =) I am limiting it, to their participation in the online / real world.
July 14th, 2006 at 12:27 am
dont worry…..my post wasnt in opposition to what you said entirely…..just the last part
Allahu Alim
August 15th, 2006 at 12:13 pm
salam
i have to admit that, think positive and be positive..
verily, Allah knows best~!
October 1st, 2006 at 5:49 pm
So a woman has no place in the public realm? She has no say in what happens around her? She has no say in the community she lives in? I’m not a modernist or liberal or whatever you might be thinking, in fact I’m quite the opposite, but I think your last sentence pretty much sums up what you think women are good for. I’m sorry to break it to you, but women make up half the society (if not more), and are the foundation of the muslim home- don’t you think they’re entitled to have a say in public affairs? I’m not saying write for the sake of Taqq al-Hannak (cheap laughs), but you seriously mean to say, a woman should spend her entire life inside four walls? Your own wife writes on the board, although not much, but I have seen her participate in public discussions.
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:56 am
Children also make up 50% of society (maybe even more).
I don’t think they should have any say either.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:25 am
There are no Islamic basis for your statement, it merely reflects your ignorance and self-absorbment in life. Learn Islam before giving out statement like this which even scholars don’t rule on.
October 2nd, 2006 at 11:35 am
Are you suggesting that a woman who takes these verses of stay in your home are not contradicted by say: ‘leaving’ her netmast and finding their way on to the blog of a fellow sister/brother and speaking to them?
Or to a crowded gathering (such as a halaqah or a message board) and intermingling with others?
How different is that from ‘leaving’ your home to do the above?
What I said is that ‘virtually’ leaving your home is against the spirits of ’staying in your homes’
If a woman 1400 years ago - stayed ‘home’ - I doubt she would be able to talk to the amount of people one can now.
In fact leaving the home is probably less social then staying home these days -
On the contrary, I do not believe it reflects on my ignorance, I believe it reflects my aptness at being apt.
Sas
October 2nd, 2006 at 12:50 pm
As long as she didn’t step out of her doorsteps then she is fulfilling the verse.
The verse does not mention socialization, gatherings, intermingling, or even talking with men.
Ibn Hazm would definitely agree with me on this.
October 2nd, 2006 at 12:56 pm
I can not speak for Ibn Hazm. As I said, it goes against the ’spirit’ of staying in your homes:
(a virgin praying in a closet in her home EQUALS a 17 year old woman who goes to sleepovers, on the phone with her friends, with her buddies on msn, and doing bake sales, and 20 blogs).
Yea, right. World of difference between the two people.
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:12 pm
You are comparing the act of praying in a closet, which is about 20 mins per prayer, let’s say, 4 hours in a day. 16% of her day.
As opposed to the 17 yr old, who “goes to sleepovers, on the phone with her friends, with her buddies on msn, and doing bake sales, and 20 blogs”. That’s her whole day.
Unless you can tell us what the virgin is doing the rest of the day, your comparison is faulty. As always.
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:21 pm
She does not leave the home.
What do you think someone would do 1400 years ago if they were not allowed to leave the home?
Probably playing with dolls, talking to mom, and other siblings - and TCB.
I don’t know. What do you do when your not outside of your house. (and its not 2006) lets just go back to the 80’s
I was home, an only child, no friends, some family during that time - I played nintendo. I imagine others read. I don’t know -
But, I know that certain kinds of people ‘leave their homes’ and others are bashful of even going to the masjid - let alone a forum., a bake sale, or chatting it up with the ukhteez.
I declare all of these women to be outside of the spirit of staying in their homes.
If they can sit inside of their homes 25 days of a month, or so - and refrain from leaving their homes in spirit or in reality - then they are counted as people that stay home.
Sas
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:23 pm
And you know that I know whatever the virgin does all day has no bearing on whether she stays home or not. =)
Who cares what she does - she can be corrupt and watch Seinfeld all day - thats not the point of my discussion.
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:42 pm
If she watches TV all day, in essence, she is listening to men and women, pretty much living with them. It’s like being in a physical gathering and remaining quiet. She may be aroused by the handsome men she sees, get to know things she wouldn’t have known if she didn’t have a TV.
In “spirit”, she’s living with kuffar on tv. =) while staying in her room.
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:47 pm
Thats not the issue we are talking about though.
So I gave an extreme example, and naturally its what you insisted on and left my actual topic.
We can discuss good things to do inside the house, etc. but thats not what I am talking about here.
Does going online to different communities, building friends, meeting sisters, going to virtual masjids, halaqahs go against the spirit of staying home - yes it does.
Does staying home and reading books, and not meeting your friends except once a month (in real life) feel more right - yes it does.
Does not going to online communities all day long seem closer to the spirit of staying at home - yes it does.
Sas
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:50 pm
And living with the ‘community of muslims’ Meaning, you see them and interact with them daily while better then doing so with the kuffar - still goes against the spirit of staying in the home.
Her only friends should be few, and she should not see them often - she should only interact with her close family, and she should not leave the home but a few times.
If she lives by those rules online - then yes, she is in the spirit of staying in her home.
IF not, she is just like the one who has a bake sale every week, and a sleep over every other, and who has her car and whatnot.
October 2nd, 2006 at 1:51 pm
And besides all of that - DAMN. I love my new Blog.
October 2nd, 2006 at 2:55 pm
sas why are you such a woman hater? Did some woman oppress you poor lil man?
October 2nd, 2006 at 4:56 pm
The way you are measuring the “spirit” of staying at home is skewed. The verse is clear- “stay in your homes”. No mention of spirits and jinn. Then again, what is your definition of home. I’ve seen houses where there are 15-20 family members under the same roof. They meet on a daily, if not hourly basis.
Is that aganist your self-defined “spirit”?
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:38 pm
No - it is not. As long as its within the spirit of staying at home.
I hate women because I enjoy males so much.
Most times to enjoy something - you have to hate something.
I.e. we love food because we hate hunger.
We love life, because we hate death, etc.
So to maximize my love for myself and men in general, I have to hate on women.
All hate is absent for the women from the past, our mothers, aunties, etc. and wives.
Sas
September 14th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
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