http://abuuthman.muslimpad.com/2006/10/19/3/
Salafis becoming soofies seems to be what it is all about these days.
I have no idea who Abu Uthman is, or who his friends are - but - my story is his story to - a close friend of mine Abul Layth is something, soofie or something - but not sure.
But, you know - whatever - I still have not sorted out what I am but, I am getting there.
So far, I do know that I
1. Accept the Athari School of Thought
2. Accept the Asharee School of Thought
3. Accept the Maturidi School of Thought
4. Accept The Salafi School of Thought
5. I understand the idea of Good Bid’a
6. I understand personal tasaawfuf, (not connected to isnad back to the companions, etc.)
7. I do not understand tariqahs
8. I do not understand the dancing
9. I do understand the miilad.
10. I do not understand or know the details of what is kufr in ways of Calling Dead People to make Dua for us.
11. Regrettably (for now) i have referred to Hamza Yusuf, as Shaikh Hamza Yusuf
Lots more can be said, probably.
I still follow the salafi creed, but I do not believe the asharees, and people of tafwid are of innovation and misguidance (so therefore I am misguided myself according to the school of thought I follow).
I would probably not care if I was in a Milad (but I was like that even when I thoguth they were bida)
I do not belong to a Tariqah
I do not think I do any bidas?
I do not call to dead people, or Ar Rasul Sallaallahu Alayhi wa Sallam - and I have no idea about any of that stuff yet, I’ll probably learn the details of that in time.
I am listening to 66 tapes by Shaikh Nu Ha Mim Keller, and so far, I really feel like its a whole bunch of bakwas but I am hoping I can pick up the actual details from what he’s saying, but I think I am going to have to listen to a lot of spiritual / weird stuff before I get to meat of this whole Tasawuf stuff.
So what am I, the obviuous being an ignorant - but is there a label for people like me?
Can I finally be considered a Modernist Soofie Asharee or some cool label like that?
October 20th, 2006 at 4:40 pm
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October 20th, 2006 at 5:16 pm
I’m sad…..
In my honest opinion, I think that we should stay away from doubtful stuff until we are completely firm in our Deen & are unwavering in our aqeedah.
About a couple of months ago, I was really depressed because at that stage (after listening to a couple of people on paltalk and after one of my beloved friends started taking from a deobandi scholar) I was very very confused. I had always thought that we were on the correct aqeedah. Anyways, I called up another beloved sister and I said to her that I feel like I’m back at square in terms of learning/knowing the Deen. She said she knew exactly what I meant. So we both decided to start from scratch. We planned to listen to all the Anwar Al Awlaki lectures since we trusted him so much. We said we would read up on the aqeedah both of us had just before this ‘depression’ so we could be firm in that. And yeah, here we are now….we still have the same aqeedah as we did before Alhumdulillah, albeit we’re stronger & more knowledgeable on it.
I sincerely believe that the SJ’s are correct.
Allaahu Alam. may Allaah guide us all to the Truth and never let us go astray, Ameen.
October 20th, 2006 at 5:19 pm
What seems safer is to accept them all then to denounce them so easily.
Sas
October 20th, 2006 at 5:25 pm
But on the otherhand, if we know that a particular group is not completely correct, wouldn’t you warn others away from it?
If a particular group commits shirk (the type that negates one’s Islaam) and we say it’s ok…it’s safer to accept them, aren’t we then committing kufr? At least, this is my understanding.
October 20th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
I think its clear that many groups are rejected by everyone.
But i have a hard time believing that Abu Haneefah was wrong for forbidding translating yadd
or for the aqidahs of ibn hajar / imam an nawawi / imam al bhukari
I do not ‘know for sure’ that they were incorrect. (which is pretty much mandatory if your going to be Salafi).
Sas
October 21st, 2006 at 7:23 am
It takes knowledge to be able to call someone a deviant. Me taking from a deobandi scholar should not make anyone weaker in their beliefs. Deobandis are some of the best people anyways.
Taking from Shaykh Muhammad (yes, he is the person salafiya is referring to) has made me stronger and I have not come across a person whom I trust more. It has taken me a lot of ?s to get to where I am now. But it seems to me that “sj’s” as some call them, say that we are not to make taqleed in `aqeedah, yet when one of us decides not to make taqleed and question what we have learned (without submitting to it instantly or at all), then we are ahlul bid`ah. It amazes me every day.
I have the right to be careful in my deen as well. I have the right to question Yasir Qadhi, Anwar al awlaki, and anyone I want to question because this is my `aqeedah. I don’t have to submit to fulaan so and so just because someone decides that to them they are upon right. The same way that I will not go around telling people to submit to so and so. Submit to Allaah and make du`aa’.
October 21st, 2006 at 7:25 am
Also, I agree we should stay away from doubtful stuff. But since when did the salaf (yes the first 3333333 (3) generations) go around saying “with the literal ma`ana” and blah blah? Why can’t I just say Allaah said Yad and khalaas. We don’t know anything past that. That’s what I chose to do and I feel it is the safest.
October 21st, 2006 at 2:06 pm
Umm Layth, you sound mad…I never mentioned anyone’s name. You do not even know for sure I was referring to you habibiti. I just said that I do not trust some scholars because of their beliefs. Also, if a dear sister that I always always always trusted in terms of aqeedah changes (and still trust, but maybe not in aqeedah any longer), of course I am going to feel lost and doubt what I believed in myself because it was like a blow. More so since a LOT of people I know (and trust) are becoming sufi. This makes me doubt that I am on the correct belief. InshaAllaah I am…
I, too take from Shaykh Muhammad…Munajjid that is. =P
Maybe you think H-Adam is right, but I by any means, do not…especially w/the aqeedah & since I was told that he has “beef” with Ibn Taymiyyah rahimahullah (and even said some stuff once in a paltalk room). Like you choose to disagree with Yassir Qadhi (and many times, I do as well…and I do not regard him as a scholar), I have chosen to disagree with H-Adam. Aqeedah is the most important thing, so we should all be careful we get our knowledge from. As for Anwar Al Awlaki, thus far he hasn’t given me much of a reason to not take from him. Maybe a couple of minor mistakes here and there, but nothing major.
“yet when one of us decides not to make taqleed and question what we have learned (without submitting to it instantly or at all), then we are ahlul bid`ah.”
I hope you are not referring to me. I have never said you are ahlul bid’ah.
“Why can’t I just say Allaah said Yad and khalaas. We don’t know anything past that. That’s what I chose to do and I feel it is the safest.”
And I feel safest affirming His Attributes & not asking the ‘how’. And the people who do such are also called names which I find baffling.
Umm Layth, I love you (despite our differences) & I hope you know that….
October 21st, 2006 at 2:46 pm
If I have “learnt” anything from this (the current topics on IN, SI and anywhere else) is that 90% of Muslim Youth in the West have no basic principles.
It means your beliefs are with witout asl/yaqeen, you’re just following friends, can’t think yourself. It’s sad, but it is true, what a sad state we’re in.
October 21st, 2006 at 2:49 pm
And what’s with bringing up taqleed all the time?!
October 21st, 2006 at 4:50 pm
Salafiya, I love you and you know that. You would also be upset after having your husband being called a mushrik and being told to feel honored for it.
Things are just not as black and white as some people wish to make them. But Allaah is the One who guides. May Allaah guide me and all of you, aameen
I am done with these discussions. Instead, I will find people talking about me and paltalk when I don’t even go on paltalk anymore and haven’t for months. Great sincerity people display wallaah
October 21st, 2006 at 5:04 pm
I always thought the Deen was black and white (lol), y’know since it’s day is as clear as it’s night etc.
The Deen I’m upon is crystal clear, full of yaqeen, looks like a lot of ppl here have major shubuhaat.
October 21st, 2006 at 5:09 pm
…..ليلها كنهارها لا يزيغ عنها إلا Ù‡
October 21st, 2006 at 10:22 pm
man salafis and sufis are pissing me off…they are all mut3asib from what I can see…(and im being honest) I don’t trust anyone anymore; I just don’t and I’m afraid it may get worse. It’s like everyone is playing around with the deen as they wish from rabee mad-kalee to Nuh keller…they are all the same- the only difference is that they are the diametric opposite-two extremes.
For now I think the safest approach for me to is to accept all the approaches a) athari b) salafi (yes salafi methodology does have basis amongst some hanbali scholars as it has been mentioned on SI) c) maturidi d) ashari…I think all these approaches are acceptable at one level or another or to one exten or another.
What is pissing me off is the ta3asub in the name of each other’s beleifs- blatant ta3asub…fu**** pissing me off.
October 22nd, 2006 at 6:43 am
Why can’t we all just be Muslim and leave it at that? Whatever coincides with the Qur’an and Sunnah, take. Whatever doesn’t, leave.
The other day a bro called me up and asked me if I knew of any other salafi masjids in the area.
Inside, I was thinking: “There’s plenty of masaajid in the Toronto area [40 or more] you can go to any one of them…”
But then I decided not to say anything to him, since we rarely see each other, due to busy lives.
October 22nd, 2006 at 9:23 pm
Sometimes I feel like most of this country’s muslim communities are engrossed in these issues and thus they arent going anywhere…..I dont see these things pop up in Houston, Alhamdulillah, maybe we have grown up form thes eissues and focus on other things. We have agreed on these issues and no one seems to challenge them….either that or they havent begun yet.
October 22nd, 2006 at 11:34 pm
Most communities which have a group, sect - they belong to will get stuff done.
Lay persons will just follow their leaders/groups
I am from Houston, if anyone from houston asks me for any help or anything, I usually do - hence IlmQuest and Arees - and before that AlMaghrib.
While I have always deemed them to be on a Salafi Flavor that I am uncomofrtable with.
Shows you the importance of good leadership - a corrupt leader is usuall better then no leader, as work gets done.
Soofis in cali get a lot done to.
Sas
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