Imam Ahmad relates from Anas (Allah be well pleased with him), with a chain of transmission all of whose narrators are those of Bukhari except Hammad ibn Salama, who is one of the narrators of Muslim, that the Ethiopians danced in front of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace); dancing and saying [in their language], “Muhammad is a righteous servant.†The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “What are they saying?†And they said, “‘Muhammad is a righteous servant’†- Other versions of the hadith clarify that this took place in the mosque in Medina,
Because of this hadeeth, I do not mind working all day - while I have this playing on the background:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJQgVYG7ELE
While I rock in my chair and enjoy this in totality, and I totally feel more open hearted and jovial about life, and I feel as if I love Muhammad Sallalllahu Alayhi wa Sallam.
I have no idea what the offical salafi verdict on something like that is, but I can say with some safety that with my upbringing as well as most of my friends - we would feel very uncomfortable doing that equating the behavior with children more so - and would probably excerssse some restraint wether physically in not enjoying it so much that I am rocking in my chair, or spiritually for feeling guilty for taking pleasuure in something which goes against the way of the Salaf
So who is better, - one at the time of the companions who is happy, juvilant and DANCING in front of Ar Rasu Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam, while making dhikr, or someone who from percieved piety tries to refrain himself from enjoying and moving along with his body and soul while listening to words talking about the love of the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam
Like I said, I do not know the offical Salafi position - but I would never have been able to enjoy this whole expeirence or have benefitted from it as much as I do now as a Closet Soofie.
Sas
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October 30th, 2006 at 11:00 pm
http://alkashif.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/the-hadrah-sidi-ibn-ajibah/
i don’t know if he actually wrote this… i found this when i googled “ibn ajibah” a while back
October 31st, 2006 at 1:04 am
That was written by the Shaikh, the Imam, Sidi Ahmad ibn Ajibah al-Idrisi ash-Shadhili, one of the Shadhili Imams of the Maghrib.
October 31st, 2006 at 3:00 am
i’ve already been listenin’ to burdah for ages…i quite like it…as for dancing bit I don’t think if that’s the best translation of a sahabi hopping around due to joy…
October 31st, 2006 at 3:42 am
There is a narration of dancing, and another one of hopping - is it possible, you are confusing the two?
Sas
October 31st, 2006 at 4:15 am
as-salamu’alaikum,
The Salafi’s are not so liking of the Burdah
But for centuries all Muslims developed their love for the Prophet (Sallalahu’alaiheewassalam) with its blessings.
I like your blog and I will keep visiting to be witness to how you are learning and developing as a Muslim and human being.
October 31st, 2006 at 4:18 am
no i wasn’t i only talked about the hopping one cuz you mentioned hopping one in the later part of your post…
…as for the dancing narration
October 31st, 2006 at 4:20 am
oh wait i dunno what happened to rest of my comment:…ok as for the dancing narration that’s the one with ethiopian men dancing in the masjid courtyard? But however i simply don’t see the correlation between ethiopian men dancing in courtyard and saying muhammed is the messenger (as I dont beleive they were doing it as a form of ibadah) and group dhikr/hadhra…
October 31st, 2006 at 5:01 am
No, another one - did you see the nasheed?
Also hopping is clearly something done to seek the pleasure of Allaah - as the other companions also did it when they saw one of them do it and get props -
But the definition of Bid’a by Shaikh Nuh Ha Mim Keller, is a good read for understanding bid’a according to traditional islam (and not salafi scholars)
Ask away if you have any questions -
Sas
October 31st, 2006 at 5:04 am
Yursil,
I also liked your blog and I enjoyed your stay on our board - again I do visit you would stay longer - just because as of right now my wife and myself (Fatima Hye, whom you spoke to) are kinda alone by ourslves on the board -
And we sort of ‘run’ Islamic Network, it has mostly Salafi members but we are defintely open to sufism as of a copuple of days ago
And at the very least, we do not feel comfortable with all of the teachings of Salafiyah, and are still sort of undecided about the Traditional Way -
So its nice to see more people besides just salafis and it would be great if we can set up a way to introduce / learn from each other -
For example, someone asked about something I believe you may be able to help with:
http://talk.islamicnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=11489
October 31st, 2006 at 5:17 am
poor sas (don’t worry im not too salafi)…yeah i did…I liked that bidah article by abdullah ibn hamid ali (or something) he’s some salafi dude…i think i linked you to it in one of the comments…also check out the thread “Mufti taqi usmani saab on bidah” on SI…btw mufti taqi is one of the leading authorities in hanafi madh-hab.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:18 am
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooopppps there was a typo in last post
abdullah ibn hamid ali is a MALIKI************* he is a traditional islam dude…yeh his article is pretty phat.
October 31st, 2006 at 5:20 am
here i’ll link you again: http://lamppostproductions.org/SunnaBida.pdf
October 31st, 2006 at 5:21 am
Mufti Taqis was kinda hard to understand since it is so in line with the salafi version (from the outwards)
The best one so far I have seen personally is Shaikh Nuh’s - I think you would then see why its ok to dance =)
Sas
October 31st, 2006 at 5:40 am
mufti taqi’s hardcore deobandi- i’ve heard he’s more deobandi than his late father mufti shafi usmaani (ra) was…
…i might look into Nuh Keller’s definition but doesn’t warranty i will make taqleed of him
and yeah it says my ban will be lifted at 9:00 AM..is that 9:00 AM CST, EST or GMT??? If it is GMT then it should have already been lifted…
October 31st, 2006 at 5:10 pm
as-salamu’alaikum,
Don’t you find this need to find everything within the sunnah a bit odd? I mean, before printing presses how did people manage to figure out what was Islam and not.
Was all of life (Mamulat and Ibadaat) contingent off of a Sahih Bukhari search engine?
This is why I find the Salafi mode of thought near unsustainable.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:27 pm
wa ‘alaykum assalaam
I think that the Salafis would argue that the lack of the search to find things within the Sunnah is exactly how the Christians went astray: they acted without knowledge. they would argue that making sure acts of worship are legitimate is one way in which the deen is preserved.
October 31st, 2006 at 7:27 pm
Yursil,
Well the problem with the example you mentioned is it is not a religous act in and of itself -
Salafis are against innovations which are a reglious act by themself - such as a Quran Khani or something -
Its a slight distinction for sure, but its a distinction none the less -
Bida in wordly matters is already allowed, bid’a in deen is what the hadith is talking about according to them - and the question then is - what is bid’a in deen -
Sas
October 31st, 2006 at 8:09 pm
as-salamu’alaikum Sas,
Of course, and understood. That is exactly what I meant by Muamalat (secular/worldly matters) and its distinction with ibadaat (matters of worship).
Now would listening to such music be considered ibadaat or muamalat? I think from what I understood that your doubts were comforted by reading the hadith, so you thought this could be considered ibadaat.
If it was the same melody but the lyrics were about chocolate, would that make it muamalaat?
October 31st, 2006 at 10:58 pm
I dunno, but I feel as if I can use this to get closer to Allaah - and I feel good while doing it beliving that Allaah is happy with the status this has of being lawful in Islam -
Sas
October 31st, 2006 at 11:15 pm
very good
I would assert that the Prophet (Sallalahu’alaihewassalam) never disapproved of anyone doing anything which generated the same feelings. In fact encouraged such things.
November 1st, 2006 at 2:10 am
i dont know what the H-E-double hockey sticks you people are talking about….but it is kinda sad and funny at the same time….
Dancing? Hopping? Emotional Devotion? Uh..okay…
Anyway, if you really want to dance and get kinda spiritual at the same time THEN put your money where your mouth is!@!! …can i recommend the movie FOOTLOOSE with Kevin Bacon…we have all seen it and it totally rocks! The theme song by Kenny Loggins is even better! You could really get down to that SAS…..
“Footloose…Footloose…kick of your Sunday Shoes…..”
Since your are an in-the-closet or out-of-the-closet soofee (i really dont care). Please try this for me….its really cool….
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sX-BJIxTux8
i promise it wont hurt….just use a bit of antiseptic and you’ll be fine….
Hey the more Spiritual Devotion - the better, right?
~anti
November 1st, 2006 at 2:36 am
one more thing akhi….
If you need a song to “feel as if I love Muhammad Sallalllahu Alayhi wa Sallam” …… then your problem is not the song or dancing or music or Salafee Jihadees, or Star Trek fans….your problem is that you need to reread the seerah of the Prophet (saw) and then read it again….and then again…and then again….and then again….and then, finally, one more time just in case.
Instead of listening to NONSENSE like this (and yes i have heard this and yes i do know the words and yes my family knows the words and yes i have had the song translated for me and NO i am not calling the people in the video “kuffar”) in order to get closer to the Prophet (SAW) — why not make your life one of service instead of being a closeted SOOFEEEEEEEE…..
work in a damn soup kitchen…feed some homeless crackheads….its better than sitting on your arse and crying about some song lyrics like “Habibi this and Habibi that….Mowla ya Salli wa Sallim….blah blah blah…”
whatever…..soofees and madkhalees are the same in that they do nothing to benefit the Ummah or this damn world……just a whole lot of crying and sheikh worship….
Soofees would find more spirituality in this if you ask me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gKSuBUG6O0
Plus is better to dance with and I am sure they could find DALEEL to make it tooootally Halaaaal!
~anti
November 1st, 2006 at 2:44 am
SAS,
Salam. I like how youre interested in the “soofie” side of things, but why not call it the Sunni side, or the Ashari or Maturidi side, since sufis come with that territory for the most part? I just dont get why everything is either sufi or either salafi?
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