Firstly, let me say I have respect for the Soofies, and I have respect for the Salafis
And by this I mean those of them that know how to function within a society and do things that help others in need -
So by that token, Most Soofies and Most Salafis are not people I respect, but I respect their approaches to Islam -
I asked a simple question, I asked if the fard of defense takes precedence over the Fard of Hajj -
Its a yes, or no question -
I was told:
The Cure for Terrorism isTasawwuf
And you can see the question/answer yourself:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12808
Read from post #230 onwards.
So if I ask a question about Jihad, it automatically means two things:
1. It seems in their hearts, they to believe the only jihad that is going on is being done by terrorists - otherwise why else bring that into the picture.
2. And that it is haraam -
Firstly my words are interpreted to mean Terrorism, and then I am shown to cure Terrorism I must to Tasawwuf, Excuse me while I ‘LOL’
There is a great lesson in this, it means that this person amongst others I am sure automatically believe that:
1. when a Muslim cares about Jihad it has to do with terrorism
2. It also means that in their hearts, they believe the only jihad that is being done is being done by terrorists, because immediately when you ask about Jihad - terrorism is mentioned
3. They do not know or have anything or even care about the Fiqh of Jihad -, they just don’t want anyone to do it, so instead of saying, we do not want anyone to do jihad - they say, terrorism is haram.
Why? Because if you ask a question about jihad, you assume terrorist - it shows what you really feel about the situation, and only further reinforces that though Sufis and Salafis at one point in their life may have done jihad - the only jihad they are now making is a jihad of tasawwuf and knowledge - that’s fine - But they are definitely not following the Salaf =)
As if the entire ummah did not already know that Terrorism is haram (woop di do) - so what exactly is the Halal Jihad? Knowledge and Tasawwuf? No, obviously not - but no one really knows do they, nor do they really care.
And these are the ’scholars’ and ‘individuals’ and ‘callers’ we are told to respect - I probably have more respect for the Jews then I do for these people - but it’s fine, I’ll make jihad al nafs and find a way in my heart to like my fellow brothers/sisters/scholars - then I can defeat ‘terrorism’
Sas
November 17th, 2006 at 4:00 pm
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah,
I love you for the sake of Allah.
I heard Imam Safi Khan will be in Columbus during Thanksgiving break.
If you are in Columbus then, maybe we can meet up again to talk about Islam.
November 17th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Hello there again
I just noticed that your blog is registered as SASJAMAL. Yes, SAS=Sad Arrogant Sufi Jamal means beautify but i’ll change it Jemaaal. which means camels. So you’re just as dumb and hard headed and stubborn as a camel. You are a shame to muslimpad. You should register it with sasjamal.your’resosad.com
November 17th, 2006 at 9:56 pm
Assalamu alaikum,
To be fair, I don’t think any scholars responded to your query on the message board you posted on that is causing your frustration. I think you will find that many sufi scholars of fiqh find jihad to be quite legitimate and do not associate it with terrorism. Don’t paint all “sufis” with such a broad brush and stereotype everyone so readily.
Also this term sufi you use isn’t very clear. There are four madhabs that all say tawassuf is legit. But they all differ widely on their fiqh opinions. So to group them all under the category of “sufi” as if their fiqh is the same (such as the fiqh of jihad vs. Hajj issue) is misleading and inaccurate akhi. It would be more accurate to ask what the madhabs say about an issue, becasue it seems like that is what you are really asking.
With that being said, I understand your frustration. At the end of the day, no body really answered your question.
Wassalam
November 17th, 2006 at 10:11 pm
AR = Abdul Razak
November 17th, 2006 at 10:35 pm
I just read your explanation of why you use labels to generalize. It makes things easier, yes, but it is nevertheless inaccurate to lump everyone in the “sufi” category. Stereotyping usually leads to great misunderstandings. Whatever.
Your blog is interesting. I pray Allah continues to open your mind and increase you in beneficial knowledge and understanding.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:34 am
“I probably have more respect for the Jews then I do for these people - but it’s fine, I’ll make jihad al nafs and find a way in my heart to like my fellow brothers/sisters/scholars - then I can defeat ‘terrorism’”
That hurt me brother, I felt badly hurt with this comment from you. Believe me I have tears in my eyes while I write this, I don’t know why though.
A Muslim however great sinner he is, deserves your respect more than the Jews however good he may appear to you. Then how could you comment such a thing for scholars? and that with such generality!!! I have no more words to express my hurt feelings right now, so I stop here
November 20th, 2006 at 1:44 am
Unless I misunderstood u, in that case I am sorry
November 20th, 2006 at 1:44 am
Zeeshan, I did not mean to apolgiize - did I not mention in the beginning that I DO Respect some of both groups?
So even then when I go on to critizie them, it is not meant generally
And also, it is clear I am speaking about some of them - and actions are to be judged according to indentions - which is the reason why we excuse scholars like Ibn Arabi for some of the statements he may have made
So I apologize - but yes
I do respect a kaafir who would not throw away his respondibility and pretend like it does not exist when it comes to the safety of his family and his people versus a muslim who does not -
Its similar to how there is a Sahabi the prophet could NEVER look inthe face, but I am sure there are non muslims he did not feel that way towards -
Sas
November 20th, 2006 at 2:22 am
The respect first comes from Iman, right? and if he turned his face, the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihe Wasallam only wanted to show his anger, do you mean to say that the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihe Wasallam would love/respect a non muslim more than a Sahabi?
Your criteria to give respect to a Kafir who fulfuls certain responsiblities against a non fulfilling muslim, should first look for Iman. Like this: I do respect a person who doesn’t fulfill his primary responsibilities and is extremly selfish… but at least believes in Allah and Prophet, more that a one who does every thing but doesn’t believe in Allah or Prophet. Iman is the most important thing in this world that a person takes to the next life.
To me it makes more sense. and yes, you mentioned it earlier that you do respect some of both groups, but I was actually objecting on your comments for those whom you don’t respect, not for the others.
November 20th, 2006 at 2:44 am
Good point, I am not so hot/careful about the english language and what it means/entails
I would rather watch a movie and enjoy a pizza with a Non Muslim, and accept their invitation -
Then someone like the one I mentioned about
Whatever you want to call that, wether anger, respect, or something else -
That is what I have for those people -
And I have literally left up and left those kind of people -
Sas
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